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Nahnni, "Maybe that's the inescapable tr...

2010-01-02T12:49:13.193-05:00

Nahnni,

"Maybe that's the inescapable truth. It is within all those relationships, one becomes the fool or the sage. They are all dependent on each other, but the traps are somehow what need to be discerned"

Yes! There cannot be awakened without unawakened, no fool without sage, no genius without idiot, etc, etc, etc. All of it is attached to everything.

"But then you listens to politicians, for example, and they beg a return to what was before things broke down. Like going back will change some future result. Entrapments of false securities, I suppose."

Seems to me we neither go back nor forward. We are quite still and firmly in place. Nothing much happening...although it would seem otherwise.

Thanks!
mikeS

No One, "that no matter what thoughts are co...

2010-01-02T12:38:50.638-05:00

No One,

"that no matter what thoughts are coming up about whatever, those thoughts are not what you are. Those "others" are you, or me, or whoever, no matter how "other" they may seem to be.

Of course they are. But then...

They're NOT also...

It does seem comforting to make a clean break with things, to split things into either/or, this is you...this is NOT...this "oneness" we pine for, seems to contain both as opposed to either/or.

Just a suspicion though...
mikeS

Well...maybe it's a comfort, if the desire for...

2010-01-02T07:22:05.096-05:00

Well...maybe it's a comfort, if the desire for comfort comes up, that no matter what thoughts are coming up about whatever, those thoughts are not what you are. Those "others" are you, or me, or whoever, no matter how "other" they may seem to be. The thoughts about it all come and go. The feelings about it all come and go, or seem to. The ego-construct can judge itself as naughty or lacking or terrible or unworthy or needing to trust more, but no matter how much it picks at itself, the reality of awareness is there, always.

Happy New Year! Six inches of snow fell in South Bend last night...hope I make it to Chicago for my "un-satsang" tomorrow!

It's all about trust, Mike, and sometimes, may...

2009-12-31T12:14:01.329-05:00

It's all about trust, Mike, and sometimes, maybe a lot, trust is expunged from a person very early. One learns, at some point, to maybe stay away from the lion and the jackal, but perhaps the Koala and the dairy cow, not so bad. Maybe it's not the ego that separates man from the rest of the animal kingdom, but the complexity of it. Deep trust may rest somewhere between the naive and the hardened. In between, once burned, twice shy or many times stupid (or in contrast pragmatic and wise.)

The Tarot deck is interesting, because it encompasses all types, yet the deck cannot be complete without each archetype. Maybe that's the inescapable truth. It is within all those relationships, one becomes the fool or the sage. They are all dependent on each other, but the traps are somehow what need to be discerned. (I am not a Tarot enthusiast, but do find the principles of archetypes intriguing.)

The past serves as both a guide and a trap and all the twists and turns that create a perception of things. And it is ever changing, evolving and sometimes reverts (such as in old age where one might simply give up and attempt to reclaim old securities).

I am of the mind that a unified awakening would need a unified experience, spontaneous, perhaps. But what is it that we are awakened to? How would that be defined or experienced? We cannot know. Because we don't know, the quest itself becomes just another Quixotic chase of myth. I was reading an article on what may or may not have occurred in significant watersheds in time that brought about spontaneous construction of architecture, language, etc. Certainly, something happens universally at certain points, due to catastrophe or even something unknown to us at present when studying particular eras. We still don't know what that was exactly. Speculations, theories, but we don't really know. All we know, is that something happened. Maybe it is through some kind of cellular memory that we reach back, but that seems a chasing of phantasm as well.

Even on the smallest scale, like online forums, something happens and either everything changes, falls apart, is accepted, resisted or fully rejected at some point depending on one's point of view. Maybe all of that comes from the past. Which is the greater ego? Which is prone to submit? Which is prone to simply say "screw it" and walk away. It is an animal kingdom, there is no escape. It's like looking back on your favorite summer. It never recurs in exactly the same way and eventually you stop trying to look for it again. Then, something greater occurs and if you can let that go, something even greater than that may occur. Over and over.

But in recognizing the traps and the foibles of the "they", perhaps we escape the same pitfalls and maybe that is what passes on. But then you listens to politicians, for example, and they beg a return to what was before things broke down. Like going back will change some future result. Entrapments of false securities, I suppose.

Going back full circle, there may be no escape from the jackal, the trickster, the mocking bird, so all you've got is your friends and they become the family and they become the experience. What else is there?

Yes, I know I babble, but in truth it is an intriguing post you have up and many thoughts surface.

Thanks,
Nahnni