Comments on The Peaceful Self.com: AWAKENING: A Product of Perfect Communication

"If all circumstances were fortunate...It wou...

2010-01-15T09:05:32.603-05:00

"If all circumstances were fortunate...It would be boring, without challenge."

Yes, we're fortunate to have war and disease...

Which are very challenging, indeed!
mikeS

If all circumstances were fortunate... It would b...

2010-01-15T00:57:39.466-05:00

If all circumstances were fortunate...

It would be boring, without challenge.

"It's fortunate that every way that we ar...

2010-01-12T06:18:39.019-05:00

"It's fortunate that every way that we are constructed, in the biological realms as well as the psychological ones, is to be social animals, deeply engaged despite out best efforts at defense."

Indeed. Unfortunately, we are alienated and disengaged and our interior self-absorbed preoccupations are reflected on the outside. Our external actions demonstrate that this as against our nature and "every way that we are constructed." However, fortunately, we have been constructed for change.

"Even sensing and perhaps commenting on the defense is engagment."

Or disengagement....

Thanks for engaging!
mikeS

It's fortunate that every way that we are cons...

2010-01-12T00:14:47.997-05:00

It's fortunate that every way that we are constructed, in the biological realms as well as the psychological ones, is to be social animals, deeply engaged despite out best efforts at defense. Even sensing and perhaps commenting on the defense is engagment.

Nahnni, "One the one hand, it seems that to ...

2010-01-11T17:58:25.822-05:00

Nahnni,

"One the one hand, it seems that to follow the lemmings and possibly over a cliff speaks of lack of critical thinking"

Yes...lemmings are not good communicators

"and on the other hand it is more broadening to circle around the table in a meeting of minds, but only if there is not the set up of the "wise" leader and a submission to that."

Yes we would all have to agree that we are all infinite players and then we'll be able to resist those offering finite rewards.

Yes, I read henry's "Culture Against Man"(or some such title) back when I hated people, but I was looking for authorities to support that for me (not that he didn't have good insights)

"What you are talking about goes above and beyond the artificial, and that really does go against the grain; however, when there is a catastrophe, minds will come together in an almost miraculous synchronicity of cooperation and when things stabilize, that cooperation begins to dissolve...which is interesting. Some will come out of it with genuine "awakening", if you want to use that word, and closeness but most will not and thus go their separate ways back into the realm of shadows and strangers."

Yes! That has always interested me, with regard to the degree of egocentric dissolving (for lack of a better term). Thanks for reminding me of that aspect since I've thought about that often. Unfortunately it seems widespread severe suffering is the catalyst...and yes, it rarely lasts.

"I somehow sense the cycle can be broken, but it takes the unveiling of the artifice and from what I witness people have a vice grip on denial with almost a quest for solid narcissism (and prefereably without guilt). How do you break that impediment down in seeking mutual "awakening"?"

I'm not sure. However, i suppose if enough minds get together on it, something should come up....hopefully soon...

"until the cover-up (sham, if you will)is dissolved, thereby creating absolute trust and honesty, no two or more can have a deeper communication with each other or to go forward from that point. That willingness to confront the cover-up without agenda has to be greater than the fear of exposure and the familiarity of repetitive patterns to the good or the ill."

Indeed. I imagine if a few can do it, more could. But, you're correct, it does tend to go against the grain and would be quite frightening for folks to exchange their individualistic goals for mutual goals even if doing so was simply with one other person.

That is my general thesis, in that dogmatic communes are unnecessary, simply turn to those closest to you and fully engage. No need to adopt an ideology or religion just deeply join with the people around you. Everything you need to learn will be taught in that depth and nothing more will be needed.

However, as Floyd once said:

"But it was only fantasy
The wall was too high
As you can see.
No matter how he tried
He could not break free.
And the worms ate into his brain"

But I will continue to fantasize...until the worms...

Thanks and blessings to you, Nahnni,
mikeS

No One, "Stanley Sobottka is a bit dry, but ...

2010-01-11T17:37:35.529-05:00

No One,

"Stanley Sobottka is a bit dry, but marvelous."

Someone said that about me once.

Hmmm....
mikeS

"Individuality impedes the willingness to ope...

2010-01-11T17:26:06.277-05:00

"Individuality impedes the willingness to open channels of communication, long since closed off. This is a chief priority, because your individuality is your only obstacle …to God."

What I mean to say, and took too long to say it (sorry...the keyboard is often a rushing river as my thoughts tend to canoe over the rapids)is that until the cover-up (sham, if you will)is dissolved, thereby creating absolute trust and honesty, no two or more can have a deeper communication with each other or to go forward from that point. That willingness to confront the cover-up without agenda has to be greater than the fear of exposure and the familiarity of repetitive patterns to the good or the ill.

Anyway, I am beginning to see more and more that the ego becomes as a separate helium balloon, until it falls back down to earth. Not so much a navigation device, as filled with hot air.

Blessings to you Mike :)

Stanley Sobottka is a bit dry, but marvelous.

2010-01-11T01:29:29.951-05:00

Stanley Sobottka is a bit dry, but marvelous.

My mind sometimes splits with this concept, Mike. ...

2010-01-10T12:56:06.040-05:00

My mind sometimes splits with this concept, Mike. One the one hand, it seems that to follow the lemmings and possibly over a cliff speaks of lack of critical thinking (which may be sparked in one mind or several together, true)and on the other hand it is more broadening to circle around the table in a meeting of minds, but only if there is not the set up of the "wise" leader and a submission to that.

There is the double message in this culture that it is self-defeating(weak)to be dependent and yet, one must be independent to be be worth the grain of salt. That is the message. Society rejects the lonely, the eccentric and at the same time worships the lone and confident horseman for his strength and mystique. Social circles set up scapegoats and embrace the sacred conclave. In effect, everything becomes institutionalized and creativity squashed.

Have you read any works by the late cultural anthropologist, Jules Henry? Specifically, the collection of essays: "On Sham, Vulnerability and Other Forms of Self-Destruction." Henry works on the premise that western culture sets up sham and vulnerability right from the beginning (although I don't see the Latin West as exclusive to this). What you are talking about goes above and beyond the artificial, and that really does go against the grain; however, when there is a catastrophe, minds will come together in an almost miraculous synchronicity of cooperation and when things stabilize, that cooperation begins to dissolve...which is interesting. Some will come out of it with genuine "awakening", if you want to use that word, and closeness but most will not and thus go their separate ways back into the realm of shadows and strangers.

One almost has to tear down the sham brick by brick, but that doesn't happen. Even if you touch a moment of "truth", the sham quickly
rebuilds itself. The stronger the sham, the more it will attempt to crush the weakest link. Engagement becomes a dog chasing its tail and correctness is a strengthening of that chase. Punditry is a good example of this and the use of continual platitudes.

I somehow sense the cycle can be broken, but it takes the unveiling of the artifice and from what I witness people have a vice grip on denial with almost a quest for solid narcissism (and prefereably without guilt). How do you break that impediment down in seeking mutual "awakening"?

Thanks,
Nahnni

The Gonzalez painting is rather superb.

Playing all the "time".

2010-01-10T12:18:01.371-05:00

Playing all the "time".

No One, Yep....all part of the infinite game! Ar...

2010-01-10T08:36:57.781-05:00

No One,

Yep....all part of the infinite game!

Are you an infinite player?
mikeS

All these ways of trying to describe shared consci...

2010-01-10T05:04:09.554-05:00

All these ways of trying to describe shared consciousness, and our lovely human problem of getting past the apparent different content. It's that conflict and difficulty that is the spice of life.